0:50Certification needs evidence people can see
Rob Shaw explains why spreadsheets and manual transfers make it harder to substantiate certification claims—and why saying a system is audited is no longer enough.
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PEFC describes a long-running standards organisation working toward modernisation with CommonShare.
Scheme-owner account with an explicit partner relationship.
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Accreditation and certification bodies independently audit and issue certificates under the scheme.
Formal independence does not itself establish audit performance.
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A large distributed accreditation and certification network creates modernisation constraints.
Counts and organisational names are attributed only.
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Certification covers only part of global forests despite substantial commercial activity and overlapping schemes.
Coverage estimates and overlaps are not independently checked.
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National legal entities own local standards benchmarked internationally, while multi-site certificates connect many facilities.
Detailed governance and equivalence not examined.
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Many-to-many international material chains complicate tracking from forest to consumer.
Illustrative chain, not a validated traceability result.
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